Saturday, April 08, 2006

Praying has no effect!

Kind of a sad story. One would hope for better news.

Study: Praying Won't Affect Heart Patients

NEW YORK - Does praying for a sick person's recovery do any good? In the largest scientific test of its kind, heart surgery patients showed no benefit when strangers prayed for their recovery.

Experts called it the largest and best-designed study ever to test the medical effects of intercessory prayers — praying on behalf of someone else. That's different from studying the effect of a person's prayers and spiritual practices on his or her own health; many studies of that have shown a positive effect.

Full story here.

And a thread where this is discussed on my favorite Christian forum. (Enter as a guest if it asks you to login.)

Anyone have any thoughts on the article or discussion?

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Brad said...

Prayer studies of this type have a fatal flaw. The ones prayed for were those that He decided would not receive the help they were praying for. He said no or gave an answer which din't fit their criteria for being answered. So, He showed His will and they say prayer was not effective. He didn't give them a sign with the prayer being answered as they were looking for. They have fallen into the trap they have set. Trying to prove God's existence they set up one where they say it is as they think, prayer doesn't work.
How many of us pray like that??? Are we presupposing that God loves us sooooo much He will give us our way because it is His way in our minds.

The thing that is missing is Belief and Faith in the God of the Bible, Jesus of Nazareth. If you are not given eyes to see the answer you will not find the Lord of Truth. So by the faithless nature of the test it was doomed to come to a worldly conclusion apart from Christ.

But God is not mocked what you sow you reap. You sow in Faith you will receive in Faith. IF you sow in unbelief you will reap in unbelief.
Sow in belief and you will reap an answer which will give testimony of the fact that there is a God who rules.
One which is represented like a parent.
We prayed to our parents ( a figure of speech indicating what children do to get from their parents. We ask constantly ) As we get older the nature and purpose of our questions and requests change. Soon we grew and wised up and started getting what we requested. Is is because our parents changed or was it we who matured and understood how to ask correctly and for the right things. Go figure! The same with God. If we ask anything as His child in Faith in accord with His will we get it.
Don't believe me, read the Bible.

Brucker said...

This weekend, I visited my family, including a cousin of mine who had recently been released from prison. I remember when I was told some time ago that he was going to court, and there was a possibility that he would end up in prison, I prayed for him, but refused to pray that he would be acquitted. Instead, I prayed that God would allow the outcome that would be the best for improving his life. Now that I have seen him out of prison, I am convinced that that prayer was answered. He told me that all the time he was in prison, he was surrounded by meth addicts and guys that were using their time in prison to essentially network with other criminals to plan their next crime. "What's wrong with these guys? I don't want to be like that!" He seems to me to be more responsible and all-around together now than he's ever been. That's answered prayer.

Road Runner said...

Amen. You asked rightly in Accord and the result was...You prayed in Faith. You could have asked anything in that accord and it will be as you ask. Point being is that you must be with Christ in the point. For the Christian all prayers are answered yes. It is becasue we have our eyes opened to see as He sees. We have wisdom and understanding.
May your brother receive his spiritual sight
Happy Easter!! Psalm 97.

Beep Beep=-p=-p=-p

What's this the blessing of God! Seed to eat in the middel of the road. Yumm..

Beep Beep=-p=-p and gone.

Wile E. Coyote struck by his falling
Acme Anvil. Walks away with a very accordion like body. =-p=-p

Brad said...

A study I am starting due to my heart recently and God's heart. Which are not exactly a match. =-)

1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
1Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.
1Jo 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
1Jo 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
1Jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
1Jo 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.
1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1Jo 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
1Jo 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
1Jo 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
1Jo 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1Jo 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.